Rebellion Dogs Radio #4: 50 years of A.A. critics and cynics - facts and BS 

From:  April 2014
Finding Fault like there's a reward to it - Isn't there more to constructive criticism that pointing out the faults in others? Meet the new book (same as the old book) that takes a pot-shot at AA, 12 Steps and the Treatment modality that embraces this "bad science" in the words of author Lance Dodes. Some of his Harvard peers accuse him of the same flawed data interpreting. Who are we to believe?

The Sober Truth is the latest in 50 years of attempts to paint AA as flawed and unscientific. So in this episode we look at AA-bashing from Dr. Cain in 1963's "AA: Cult or Cure?" to Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode on Showtime and we look at AA's own triennial survey results from 1977 to 1989 and why critics see embarrassing 5% success (or let's call it failure) rates while peer reviewed studies call such a conclusion erroneous or misleading.

It's a regular Rebellion Dog-fight this month and we invite you to listen in or join in on the conversation. We race through the history of de-bunking and de-bunking-busting in 45 minutes. We are 100% in favor of skepticism. But you better get your facts straight. At the end you can hear Beyond Belief: Agnostic Musings for 12 Step Life's author Joe C playing lead and singing back-up on The Chronicle's song, "Chronic Malcontent," the prefect theme song for Episode #4.

For links to The Sober Truth, Penn & Teller's Bullshit show, John M's The Sober Truth review, Don McIntire, “How Well Does A.A. Work?”in Alcoholism Treatment Quarterly, AA Recovery Outcome Rates – Contemporary Myth and Misconception and Hoffmann (2003) “Recovery careers of people in Alcoholics Anonymous.”

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  • James Halstrum

    James Halstrum PEI, Canada

    Wanna-B Addict Rant Wanna-B addicts choose to use. Going back to the very first decision to use is where the answers will be found = what was going on at that time in your life? + If you don't own your problems with addiction little can be done to stop the OD deaths from addicts. = Too many OD deaths will continue to be the outcome = a sign of the times. Organized Crimes dealers want your money and your silence + they are the only ones who see you / their victim addicts as assets - while pro-addiction governments / law enforcements / medical organizations / etc. see you only as liabilities = this must change in order to save lives. De-nile is not a river but you can be drowned in it. Take your life back from addictions. There are a great number of educational and recovery programs available = go into detox and then recovery ASAP – in the New Year. The best possible action is to choose not to use and to not become a Wanna-B addict. Globally all desperate Governments are pro-addiction and in bed ( bed bugs ) with organized crime for promised taxes and jobs = Marijuana, Tobacco products, Booze, Gaming ( Casinos and VLTs ), lotto, sex toy and smoke shops,bars, e-poker, etc. If any ill-eagle activity could be regulated and taxed it would be legalized tomorrow. Self destruction, is and always has been, a Human Right + Equal Rights for women provides the opportunity for one to be just as foolish as the other.

    Wanna-B Addict Rant

    Wanna-B addicts choose to use. Going back to the very first decision to use is where the answers will be found = what was going on at that time in your life? + If you don't own your problems with addiction little can be done to stop the OD deaths from addicts. = Too many OD deaths will continue to be the outcome = a sign of the times.

    Organized Crimes dealers want your money and your silence + they are the only ones who see you / their victim addicts as assets - while pro-addiction governments / law enforcements / medical organizations / etc. see you only as liabilities = this must change in order to save lives.

    De-nile is not a river but you can be drowned in it. Take your life back from addictions.

    There are a great number of educational and recovery programs available = go into detox and then recovery ASAP – in the New Year. The best possible action is to choose not to use and to not become a Wanna-B addict.

    Globally all desperate Governments are pro-addiction and in bed ( bed bugs ) with organized crime for promised taxes and jobs = Marijuana, Tobacco products, Booze, Gaming ( Casinos and VLTs ), lotto, sex toy and smoke shops,bars, e-poker, etc. If any ill-eagle activity could be regulated and taxed it would be legalized tomorrow.

    Self destruction, is and always has been, a Human Right + Equal Rights for women provides the opportunity for one to be just as foolish as the other.

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